In this episode, Charlene and Gina DeMillo Wagner discuss the painful complexities of sacrificing yourself for your family, grieving the loss of a complicated relationship, and learning to speak up for yourself. Gina is an award-winning author and journalist. Her book, ⁠Forces of Nature⁠, is available at ⁠Amazon⁠, ⁠Bookshop.org⁠, or anywhere books are sold. 

The New York Times essay about siblings mentioned in this episode can be found here: 

⁠https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/20/well/mourning-the-loss-of-a-sibling-rival.html⁠

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